such is the danger of paraphrasing without understanding or acknowledging what is actually written. i was NOT responding to what helen wrote - where on earth did you even get that? helen and i have been friends for 3 decades. i knew all her dogs, i used many of her males, the average lifespan of my don quixote and vancouver litters was over 12 years. what i WAS responding to was the statement that basically suggested the correlation between breeding dogs and having children. there are no perfect dogs. there have never been any perfect dogs and there never WILL be any perfect dogs. as breeders, all we can do is try our best. if anyone out there thinks they can eliminate all the issues, or that reading an outdated book on genetics will have all the answers, i have a pretty gold bridge to sell them. diane ============================================ Pinehills wrote: Diane, that much is true. So...we can either let the chips fall where they may and say "it goes with the territory" OR we can wake up to what Helen posted a week or so ago and say "whoa, we have some issues that are worsening and dogs are dying FAR YOUNGER than they should be and it is driving people away from the breed". Paraphrasing... Helen is hardly a newbie with stars in her eyes who bought her first show dog and it wasn't a superstar so now she's not happy. What she said was SEASONED REGIONAL CLUB MEMBERS had had enough and we'd probably lose the club OVER HEALTH ISSUES. Diane Silver-Strasser Silstra German Shepherds _Skatiebug'z_ (http://skatiebugz.shutterfly.com/) The online store for everything German Shepherd and then some! _http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com_ (http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com/) Skater's Blog ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================