i knew helen's don quixote well and he was everything she said and then some. although i didn't know prince of wales i did know his brother, vancouver. vancouver was one of the most beautiful GSDs i have ever seen and i would have trusted that dog with my life. it's the instinct that's important to me - not what someone can "train" a dog to do if the instinct isn't there. both of helen's boys were sound, in every sense of the word, and they did what they were supposed to do when the situation presented itself. THAT is a proper GSD. diane ===================================================================== Helen Franklin wrote: The Schutzhund Dog Training Club held their training on my 5 acres in Brentwood Bay, B.C. in the 1980's. My U.S. Select American Champion, Select Canadian Champion, Covy-Tucker Hills Don Quixote, ROM, ROMC, OFA, TC was on the sleeve the first time he saw it, BOTH ON AN OFF LEASH, HE WAS HIT ON THE BACK WITH A STICK WHILE ON THE SLEEVE, AND HE "OUTTED" IMMEDIATELY AT MY COMMAND, never having heard it before. The German trainer refused to believe that this was an American Dog. He also followed a tracking trail (hot dog) the first time we tried it. He was fearless, and a Top top working SchH dog.........and yes....I do have pictures. Helen Franklin. My other conformation dog, Select Canadian Champion Von Saar's Prince of Wales, obtained his SchH1 (Select under Ed Barritt) Diane Silver-Strasser Silstra German Shepherds _Skatiebug'z_ (http://skatiebugz.shutterfly.com/) The online store for everything German Shepherd and then some! _http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com_ (http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com/) Skater's Blog ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================