I have a question about shoulders. I own a bitch with a beautiful shoulder....she totally opens up does not move from the elbow...just wonderful. I also own a bitch that "lifts". Watching both of these bitches move in the ring I can see the obvious difference..but when I put my hands on them I can't feel a difference. Can someone educate me about what I should feel ....or maybe the question should be does a dog that lifts have an obvious issue with their shoulder assembly that can be felt. Private emails are fine. Cindy Cindy www.cinosamgsd.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================