In a message dated 5/1/2006 7:05:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, vomkristallaugen@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: ...If you have a veteran and show that Veteran in a 'regular' class, then the Veteran's class, and the veteran wins both classes. I've known Veterans to be awarded BISS out of the veteran's class, but in the case I presented? .....well, what then? Just curious. If you show the dog in a regular class and in veterans Well, If the dog wins its regular class, it then can compete in Winners. Veterans is a non-regular class, and its winner cannot compete for points, but can compete for BOB No matter if you win or loose in the class, you can compete in veterans. BUT..if you loose in the class, or win in the class and do not go winners, and then go first in Veterans, it would seem to me you are done and cannot compete for BOB because you have already been defeated by the animal that beat you, either in the class or in Winners. If you want to win veterans and compete for BOB, do not enter another regular class. At least that is what I think, I am sure Carolyn or D.D. will have the correct answer if I am wrong. Carol ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================