Folks, with my long and varied experiences with all kinds, believe me -- Every little bit contributes to the final type of character that is noted. I've had singleton pups and litters of up to 14 with similar bloodlines and/or entirely different ones that I see similarities and big time differences just within the siblings depending a lot --- yes --- a LOT on the eventual life each may attain. Just think about it in general genetics even with humans. IDENTICAL TIWNS ARE --- NOT --- identical in their behavior patterns or personal interstes as a general every day matter. Always, the determination and/or the atmosphere play a large part in the eventual outcome at maturity. I am not a BIG FAN of Cesar for a lot of reasons in looking at what he does. Something I always attempted to do through the years with my many animals and the work I've also done with humans too --- one on one separate attention often for each and every one to gain the confidence and/or personal desires for a successful life. This is vital and I'm sure you folks agree. On "turning around" a bad apple or rotten egg, so to speak, a lot MUST be considered if this is to be a successful endeavor at all. #1AGE -- some are so far gone it's often a bit too tough to change things. I hate to think of it, but I have seen it but not too often as folks do try --- sometimes --- once the animal or person is out of the bad situation. #2GENETIC MAKEUP -- If you have a couch potato kind of (person/animal) work on that rather than trying to change them to be otherwise in a competitive get out there deal. #3 T I M E --- Ah, the crux of any matter to begin with anyway!!! I have seen so often that it is the combination of stuff rather than just one something alone that will form the final individual. As I've posted before, I have only seen a few dogs that I could not turn around and I've been a bit surprised at the fact one of them was an Aussie; a breed normally a peaceful kid. O, I'll geaux, just wanted to give a bit of experience & knowledge for you as we're on the subject of --- like Barbara G. started (daily lifestyle) how many etc. Have a good one. Norma no L ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================