I listened to the Onofrio rep at the all breed shows this weekend explain this as a lot of people and judges are confused . He said The Bob and Bos are not technically awarded sel points but Gr ch points the judge decides to award them or not then may award 2 selects my understanding was that was all - but a couple others from the list were asking him questions so them might know more. Just be glad you don't have to figure out how many points they get. I lost my cool when his justification for this program was it will put more money into the hands of handlers and after all they make the shows. Sally www.embroiderybysally.org ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================