Hi Listers, on the "punishment" to the other dogs -- Well, the time it takes to shut the one or 2 or so dogs barking to beat the ban, it is very very short and everyone is fine and quiet. It is with a 50 foot electric extension cord, not on batteries. You do not need to have it on all of the time, I didn't, just used it when and/or IF I needed it so I really didn't look at it as "punishment" like with shock collars etc. As I said, I boarded all kinds of dogs had horses cows humans visiting etc. etc. Then, some characters would go bananas and it just quieted them down and I could easily and quickly turn it off, no problem. I surely wouldn't want to be thought of as "punishing" the kids too much. Norma no L just lovin' Da List for the true compassion ya'll have!!! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================