In a message dated 11/21/2006 12:16:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary-anne.boulet@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: So two short coated can produce long coats but it's possible to breed to a long coated bitch and get nothing but short coats? What happens if it's a long coated male bred to a short coated bitch? Is there any way to tell in the genealogy if you're going to get long coats? Mary-Anne "Coats" are one of the easiest things to understand. A puppy will get one of two possible genes from each parent. Let's call a long coat "CC". A puppy will get a "C" from that parent. That's all they can get. A short coated dog CAN be Cc OR cc, let's let "c" = a short or normal coat. If a coated dog (CC) is bred to a short or normal coated dog with NO long coat gene (cc), there's no way the coat factor will express itself, however, each and every individual puppy from that breeding could produce coats since it got "C" from the coated parent. If you take a puppy from above, a short coated dog who is recessive for producing coats and breed it to a coat, Cc x CC, statistically, you should have half coats. (Each puppy will get one "C" and have a 50-50% shot at either a "C" or a "c"). The half who don't express the coat factor could produce coats since every puppy in the litter will receive a "C" from the coated parent. If you breed two dogs who carry the factor but don't express it, Cc x Cc, statistically, you should have 25% coats (CC), 50% recessive (Cc) and 25% who don't carry the long coat gene (cc). Can you look at a pedigree and tell? Usually. Most people know if there are coats in the background and/or if litter mates have produced coats. That's not AS certain, but given the last example above, statistically 75% of those puppies could produce coats, so it's a pretty good indication. Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================