have a male that will be i year this month and no matter how much he is out during the day, if i put him in a crate,even if he was just out, he will urinate and lay in it....it is not a constant thing but seems to be leaking....he loves being inside with the other dogs , so it is not a thing of anger or resentment....i did a BUN and it was a little high but not much and did a creatin(sp) and it was normal....my vet feels it is behavioral....i do monitor his water intake...he eats like a pig and ejoys life....because he is a barker, could it be that he leaks a little when he barks....is this something i just need to wait out ?????? Natalie ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================