Sally -- I would say that at eight or nine weeks it's too early to tell. I don't think they're born locked, but my guess is that like so many other things it can be a strong genetic tendency. I have seen extreme puppies at six months that seem to be pretty locked up in the rear but turn out to be normal as they get older. I've also seen them that seemed normal at three or four months of age, but turn out to be locked. I've heard that suspending a piece of pvc pipe a few inches off the ground in the run so that the pup has to hop over it as he goes back and forth can help in this department, but I have no first hand knowledge of that. It makes sense to me to think that if one suspected a young pup it might help to place them on one's lap and manually work those hocks every day. tom elkins Firethorn Temple http://www.firethorntemple.com -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of sally Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:27 AM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] loced hocks- question Can you tell at an early age if a dog is going to be locked in the hocks? Can you look at a 8-9 wk old puppy and tell or does it come on later? Are puppies born locked? Sally www.embroiderybysally.org new designs ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================