In a message dated 2/27/2006 8:26:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dir@xxxxxxxxxx writes: These bitches that hate to be bred seem to be telling me something. I have talked to a number of my friends that have handled stud dogs. We are seeing this more and more---WHY? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`` I had 2 bitches, different altogether--one German and one American lines. My first "reluctant" bitch was a dominant one. ANY male on top of her was a sign of dominance. NO WAY,JOSE!! She was extremely difficult to get a natural breeding from. I did get 2 litters, doing AI. She was a drill sergeant for a mom. Real disciplinarian! Not one of those playful moms, although did her "duty" without aggression on her pups. SUPER protective of them with anyone outside of the home! They turned out to be fine, physically and mentally, but very serious dogs. Not for the feint of heart! My second bitch that posed these "issues" was very much the same way. Nothing was easy with her. Difficult to breed and she had NO interest in the pups, to the extreme! She, too was dominant, but not like the other. I thought that it was a "new mom" thing with her, but she NEVER had those maternal instincts. She was ALL FOR my male to babysit and take care of them! From Day ONE! He loved the puppies and would jump the expen I kept around the box and lie in there with them, nuzzling and cleaning. Real Mr Mom he was! (He's almost 12 now) Thank God, I had a friend whose Bassett had a false pregnancy, developed milk and was able to nurse these babes. Well, these pups turned out to have very physical, life issues discovered from ages 4 months to 2 yrs. ALL of them! Maybe mom "knew" something? And would not breed? She never did again. in full blown heat, she would refuse, even left with the male(supervised, of course!) Call me "old School", but if a bitch won't or can't breed naturally, at least once, I won't do it. We seem to produce more of the same--(pick your poison here). I'm not talking about "aiding" and assisting(size and safety come to mind). Nor about getting that frozen semen in from a dog who we can't get to, but when both parties are "front and center", let nature takes it's course--or not! I've had natural breeders and no issues with mom or young. When I have done major interference to "get the job done", there were more issues down the road, some that are unforeseeable in the immediate present and future. But bite us later on and we wonder "WHY?" Sorry. Just my personal take on this whole thing! Nothing personal against anyone in particular for their own breeding practices. We all do what we feel we must when the time comes. My signature line says it all, in anything I do--to me anyway! Chris K "Do Right and Fear No One" --from the Stephanitz Family Crest ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================