In a message dated 8/17/2006 9:21:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, helen@xxxxxxxxxx writes: In response to the question regarding how many other instances of violations are there, I deem that a fair question. I also believe that not only the current administration evokes questions, but also, most definitely, the past. How many violations occurred with past administrations? Perhaps someone out there can tell us. Helen, Your point is a good one. But allow me, if you will, to give it a twist..... There is no shame in admitting to have made a mistake. This new board has obviously made some, the past board has made some, the one before that, the one before that, and so on. That's not where the problem is. The problem is, according to moi, that we need to make a real effort to learn from those mistakes so that we don't repeat them. Not to make more excuses, to admit and correct the mistakes, that is the goal. Simply saying that so and so did this or that before is not a good excuse. That attitude of lack of accountability only perpetuates the problems, and the bad feelings. For argument sake, lets say the last board made a mistake with the counting of votes. Isn't it the expectation then that the new board has learned from that mistake and will not repeat it? I think so. While we are having the argumentative strike..........lets say this new board mishandled the editor election process. (which I think was the original discussion). The result of this mistake should be that in the future any situation that is addressed in the P&P SHOULD be reviewed and amendments made to the P&P BEFORE the fact, not after. That seems to be the only intelligent way to go about it. To quote either Patty or Gary S. ( I don't know which since the post wasn't signed): Why not just be man enough to admit you were made a mistake and go on? Me thinks there was a break down in protocol, and in following procedures. We have elected board members to handle our business according to our rules, already established. That, I think, is a realistic expectation. If mistakes are made, we as a membership hope and trust those can be handled without major complications. BUT it is our responsibility as members to question, and our right to get the correct answers. I truly don't think that's asking too much. And yes, I do believe this can be done without personal attacks and unnecessary bashing, or yelling. I am amazed at the lack of self control people have displayed here in the last couple of weeks. People who bitch about the dead horse and post 20 or more post a day about the same horse. Insinuating onto Gail's health as a reason for any wrong doing is positively insulting and outrageous. Attacking Rita for posting the facts is unnecessary. Blaming Susan for what has happen is out of line. All these people have become scapegoats. Lets FOCUS. The goal is to fix the problems, not to compound them. Ileana ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================