Dexter is noise shy when other dogs around him are. Kit was horrified at any loud noise. He is no longer with us, he had cancer. Liddy is shy of man made noises, thunder not so much, but she is not without concern. I don't let dogs like this off lead if there is a chance that such a noise would happen, in other words, without a good fence they are not loose, that's all. I did breed Liddy, to a dog who could care less about noise. The 2 pups I have now thought the 4th of July was just another excuse to attack each other. And in Miami-Dade county there are many legal fireworks sold all over the place. Many of my neighbors shoot all sorts of stuff off, for days before and days after any exucse will do. There is construction nearby most of the time, lots of noises from that too. My pups DON'T CARE. I plan to keep it that way. Liddy is a basket case with man made noises, she has not a prayer of passing a TT. But for that, she is sound. She is protective and loving, civil but not friendly most of the time. Now and then she meets someone with whom (there it is again Ed) she must become friends. While she was on the road with Pino and later with Bart, she protected them as her own pack. Gail, while she was living with them, asked to keep her. I love my Liddy to much to give her up, I missed her terribly while she was gone for 8 months. So, cutting out noise shy dogs from breeding programs does not mean the end of noise shy dogs, her mom did not mind as I understand. But Liddy has produced dogs that are not noise shy, so there you have it. I am glad I bred her once. I doubt I will breed her again. It took too much from my family and I cannot afford that again, not now. So maybe the next bitch will be my big producer, who knows. I just wanted to make it clear, as some others have, that while being noise shy does indeed keep dogs from jobs that require they not be shy of anything, it does not mean they cannot contribute to the breed, or to the families who have them. The happy family with the wonderful pet has no business letting their dog off lead in a park setting. If another dog attacked their dog, there is no way to catch and control the event. Both dogs would suffer greatly. Most jurisdictions have leash laws that prohibit the total freedom of any dog, so a GSD surely has no business being let loose in a park, with other dogs you don't know, kids who may or may not know how to behave around dogs, and people who could have bad intent for dogs. Liddy will never see sheep, I can't do it, so she won't. Her pups will likely never see sheep, I can't do it so they won't. But they will be family guardians, obedience show dogs, maybe conformation dogs too, and I hope to get TT's on both of them, as they are so sound. Will I try to practice the stations of a TT, you bet I will. I take them out when firecrackers are being set off, I walk them in thunderstorms, or at least when they are close. I take them places where the people are numorus and sometimes odd, South Beach is next on my list. They have been to shopping centers, pet stores, feed stores, pool stores, the long ride to and from DC, and at the home of Tish Walker, with her dogs' smells, and much more. If I had had Liddy before 7 months, maybe, just maybe, she would be totally completely sound. I could not know what she was exposed to at her breeder's, or at my Mom's for the few weeks she was there before coming here. BTW, she was flown down, and I have no clue how that affected her, I don't fly dogs without a dire need. At that time, I could not go to DC to get her and my mom had just been diagnosed with her cancer so she was not about to drive down here either, she was starting treatment, and could not leave her home. I know that many dogs fly often and don't mind it, but they had to learn to accept it, and I do not spend my money that way, and I don't trust the airlines with my dog much. Now if they could ride in the seat next to me...... Just my humble opinion on all this. sheila Sheila of Miami Mernydex GSD's Loving Obedience Dog Training --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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