we have been very lucky at these shows and LOVE every plaque we have won....if you want to keep people coming, taking away the placement plaque's and giving only to the first place is very discouraging for a lot of newcomers...many breeders knew who was coming to the shows and also knew they couldnt defeat that special dog but was so honored to receive a plaque for placing in that same class....we have donated to these futurity clubs when we could financially....i remember they used to give special points to the sire and dam of the placers and that was taken away and i was so honored to see my foundation in the red book when they did this and now it only goes to the winners at the national and there are many breeders who have those quality dogs but circumstances have come up where they could not attend the national which happened to "Bubbles" last year ....with any business, if you want people to keep spending, incentives need to be there...also someone did post already about the handler's fees for this "so-called" fun match....i hope there will be much thought on this before any final decision will be made....thank you for listening....now my dogs are letting me to know it is time to go out(smile) Natalie CLOVERLEIFE HILL KENNELS Jerry and Natalie Stewart http://www.cloverleife.com/ Website Updated 2004 Show and Pet Puppies available ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================