In a message dated 6/26/2005 8:25:08 PM Central Daylight Time, Elsyd1@xxxxxxx writes: Many of the dogs I remember from 20 years ago were functional cripples. So extreme they could hardly walk. ------------------------------- ... And many of them were good moving dogs. I don't see the reasoning behind attempting to compare the worst from the past to the best from today. That wasn't the point at all. Sure, there were bad dogs twenty years ago. There are bad dogs today. There were breeders then who couldn't have cared less about coming and going, as long as the dog was extreme. (I wasn't one of them.) There are breeders today who couldn't care less if their dog has power. If you think one is better than the other, you are merely picking your preference for one fault over another. In response to Evan ... The same thing is true from the opposite perspective. Of course there were some handsome dogs twenty years ago. I said nothing that should have implied anything different. The point was that today, "pretty" has become more important than the standard calls for. The breed in general is noticeably more handsome today than it was back then, even if there were a more than a few really handsome dogs back then, like Mannix. I never had the pleasure of seeing Mannix move in person, but I have seen video of him. If most dogs today moved close to as well, this discussion wouldn't be happening. We've done a lot to make the breed more appealing to the eye. We even cleaned up the movement coming and going. I think I made that point in my last post. It is power that we've lost over the years, but that isn't as big a problem as the fact that so many don't even notice, or seem to care about that loss. Twenty years ago, some of you were probably thinking the breed will end up crippled forever. It didn't ... but that is only because someone noticed the problem and worked on improvement. Tom Langlitz ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================