Well gosh, I live on 120ac working cattle ranch. My dogs are reasonably well angulated, decent strides, they don't go out with cattle. We work cattle with a bucket and 4 wheeler. Sometimes "function" doesn't always mean they still do their original intent, it may mean the still "could" do the original intent. Mine are really good trackers too, they can track a dog biscuit as well as any blood hound-I don't want them in hound group either. I simply wanted to shed some light on the fact we have Herding dogs, and not working dogs. They can do bite work, tracking, agility, S/R, herding, obedience, rally agility therapy, just anything really but they are a herding dog, and a fine one at that. Didn't mean to stir up stuff Ann Schilling Gray In a message dated 5/20/2011 1:09:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: Well sure...but you have that difference in Germany too. I remember when Wynn was importing dogs; they were primarily from their herding lines. Lovely & easy to finish here in the AB ring. You'd have to ask Jim how many he finished for her. Even then they had a stockier, "straighter" in front and rear dog, less neck (later the roach, now not as bad) for SCH work. The way it was explained to me was that there aren't as many big sheep farms in Germany as there once were and between being used for the wars and later sporting events like SCH, the dog evolved. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================