I didn't 'target' any one group. And I see little difference between 'volume' breeders (as you describe them) and 'commercial' breeders as it was brought up. They both live off the sale of dogs and have no concern as to where they go.. There may be a technical difference in the way they are regulated but it's just that - a technicality in the way they are regulated. I am a show and working dog breeder myself so i have no problem with responsible breeding.. The distinction between commercial and hobby is whether or not you are dependent on the sale of dogs for your livelihood. Making a profit on a litter of pups that offsets some of the thousands put into finishing the parents, etc is not a problem. Producing litter after litter of pups that MUST be sold to make ends meet, I think qualifies one as a commercial breeder regardless of what purpose they profess to be breeding them for. "Distinctions' aside, it boils down to the same reality. Falkrigia Shepherds ....Gene Workman / Lynda Bragg-Workman _www.falkrigiashepherds.com_ (http://www.falkrigiashepherds.com/) _www.thecraftywoodchuck.com_ (http://www.thecraftywoodchuck.com/) Last Hope, Safe Haven German Shepherd Rescue Coordination-BOD _www.LastHopeSafeHaven.com_ (http://www.lasthopesafehaven.com/) Old Fella Burke County Animal Rescue - Training Director _http://oldfella.org/_ (http://oldfella.org/) In a message dated 4/7/2008 2:20:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GrnRam415 writes: Lynda, you descibe VOLUME breeders. And, why did you target working dog breeders? Commercial breeders are the type Hunte and others use to get their puppies. Commercial breeders have to have a license to do so and are inspected. Volume breeders are the puppy millers and others. Look at your newspaper and see the same phone number for a bunch of different breeds for sale. Commercial breeders don't advertise. They are already contracted to provide pups to people like Hunte. There is a difference. That is not to say that I condone any of it. But, there is a distinction. JMHO Laura -----Original Message----- From: Falkrigia@xxxxxxx To: ValleSaladoGSD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:00 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: commercial breeder My idea of a commercial breeder is anyone who breeds primarily for profit and lives off their dogs whether they are pet shop or show or working dog breeders. No real difference.. lynda Falkrigia Shepherds ....Gene Workman / Lynda Bragg-Workman _www.falkrigiashepherds.com_ (_http://www.falkrigiashepherds.com/_ (http://www.falkrigiashepherds.com/) ) _www.thecraftywoodchuck.com_ (_http://www.thecraftywoodchuck.com/_ (http://www.thecraftywoodchuck.com/) ) Last Hope, Safe Haven German Shepherd Rescue Coordination-BOD _www.LastHopeSafeHaven.com_ (_http://www.lasthopesafehaven.com/_ (http://www.lasthopesafehaven.com/) ) Old Fella Burke County Animal Rescue - Training Director _http://oldfella.org/_ (_http://oldfella.org/_ (http://oldfella.org/) ) In a message dated 4/7/2008 12:55:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _ValleSaladoGSD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:ValleSaladoGSD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) writes: My idea of a commercial breeder is someone who breeds only for money. They most often do sell to pet shops and will sell a puppy or dog to anyone with the money, with no concern for the future health happiness or well being of the dog. 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