I feel exactly the same way....yes, kids should be taught how to approach and interact with dogs, but I have a 12 year old son and a newborn baby girl, and when my son was younger, he, being a young child did young child things....they fall down, they run and jump, they get excited, they say "eye" as they poke the dog in the eye....and we teach them as they grow, but through it all, while the child is growing and learning, my dogs have NEVER even tried to bite my son, even one grumpy old man who really did not like kids too much, when my son fell down the stairs and landed ON him (and it hurt them both!) and screamed and cried, he did not growl or nip, he just got up and walked (disgruntled) away... and gave us all a longsuffering look..."the things I put up with" written all over his face...a sound dog that knows his place, even one not raised with kids, should recognize that they do not mean harm and are babies and put up with the learning process.....of course I would not dream of leaving a young child unattended with any dog,no matter how trustworthy, and I would always keep a mindful eye on them when they are together, thereby avoiding most problems before they start. Then there is the occasional alpha dog who is basically sound, but does not know his place, and he looks at the children as puppies that he can be the boss of, or as equals that he can play with...that I feel is how many face bites happen, a child does something the dog deams as wrong or threatening, and the dog, not meaning to hurt or be mean, gives a quick "puppy correction", the same way they would give a puppy a repremand, on the face by the muzzle or the top of the head, saying "I am the boss, quit it", only a childs face is much softer thus the damage much worse. I am not saying this is ok, but it is not the same as a dog who bites and shakes and means to harm. This kind of dog needs training, to be taught that ALL people, of ANY size are ALWAYS the boss, period. They need to know where their place is, and to have it drilled into their little alpha brains. That is how my dogs are raised, they all know their place, and know they rank under all people, and maybe even some cats <G>. Maggie Marshall Aeval German Shepherds http://hometown.aol.com/gsdlady28/index.html Website Updated 03/21/2007 Msg: #1 in digest Subject: Re: 3 year old child bitten by dog Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:03:33 -0400 From: myjoygs@xxxxxxx My granddaughter was bit in the face by a dog when she was 18 months old at the babysitters by their husky. The dog should not have been around the child as the owner knew it has some temperment problems. but her quote "he was doing so much better". The dog was laying on the floor by the sliding glass doors, my granddaughter was standing at the sliding glass door and the next thing, the dog had her face. It was sickening to see her face afterwards, that dog had its teeth in her from the bridge of the nose to the chin. Thankfully it wasn't any worse then it was and thanks to a good surgeon, you would barely know it happened, she will probably need another surgery for a scar at the bridge of her nose. It was horrific to see her. Thankfully it was at a young age and she doesn't have any fear of dogs and actually loves them. Now for the part of the kid hitting the dog, while it is the responsibility of the parents to teach their children how to treat dogs and it is the responsibility of the person watching the child, things to happen, one of my dogs was around a group of us and we were all talking and my 2 year old nephew was around, I heard the dog whimper and looked and my nephew had his finger in her eye, she did not snap, bite or do anything to that child and I quickly rescued her. The point being if the dog is totally sound it will not harm a child, that is what I believe and I am sticking to it. If you are not sure of the an animals soundness around children then it should not be around them period or if its me and a child approches one of my dogs and I am not a 100%, sure my hand is right there by the muzzle while they pat them. Just my point of view ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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