I would by the "furminator" you can find it at Pet Smart (yes I know it is sold on tv :):) It is expensicve ($45) BUT WORTH EVERY PENNY. It ONLY takes out undercoat, and you can fill a trash bag very quickly. It will not touch the outercoat. I was skeptical at first, but took the "risk" of the money since my blackand red girl's red was starting to wash out. Her handling instructor (who is alo a groomer) told me about, she said I was seeing undercoat that is why her red was fading. Used the furminator, and it took all the dead undercoat out that my rake did not. It's amazing. Her ocoat has never looked better, and her outer coat has not pulled out at all which can sometimes happend with a rake. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================