In defense of culling puppies, back in the day there was no such thing as limited registration so breeders felt the need to cull in order to keep the faults, color or otherwise) from being bred back into the breed by unscrupulous breeders. There is no excuse to cull for non health related issues now, and breeders that do it are either lazy or simply trying to hide faults that their lines might be producing. Cindy Sheila Lieberman <sheilaofmiami@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: There was a time when it was believed that blues and browns had fatal genes attached. Health issues that would kill the dog soon enough to justify not letting it live after birth. In Dobes the dilute comes with thin hair. This causes skin problems for many blues and dilute browns. Some breeders are putting them down. Some breeders, because of the standard are not only showing them, but finishing them and breeding them. They do produce the flaw in noticable numbers. Joanne James, a Florida Dobe breeder had one litter with 3 blue dogs. She sold one to a vet and one to another well verses person. The 3rd ended up next door to me. He was not kept nearly as well as Joanne would have liked, and I won't get started. But the dog was happy and a good friend of mine until one of the too many workers there left the gait open and both Blue and his Rottie buddy, Pebbles, got out and have not been seen in 2 months. So, now that we all know that blue and brown GSD's can live full lives, they can be sold as pets with spay neuter contracts and be great companions. sheila Robert Dir wrote: Judd produced a few blues--not many--but no livers. Sandi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:31 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: [amergsd] QUESTION > > > In a message dated 9/13/2006 2:44:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > zasko@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > I recall that "blues" and "livers" use to pop up in litters ocassionally > and > they were immediately put to sleep > > > Sorry....I have had blue puppies over the years. They were healthy and > exceedingly beautiful, with silver-tipped hair and turquoise eyes. Shame > on anyone > who would kill an innocent baby puppy for being the "wrong" color. Syd > > SYD MAILBERG > 23910 SE 276TH ST > MAPLE VALLEY, WA 98038 Sheila of GSDC of Greater Miami Member GSDCA Mernydex GSD's Loving Obedience Dog Training __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================