I've taken a coupla posts and listed them to express their feelings...let me say right off...I agree with them...to a point. "WE BELIEVE THE JUDGE ELECTED TO JUDGE SPECIALS AT THE NATIONAL SHOULD BE THE ONLY PERSON TO DETERMINE HOW MANY SELECTS SHOULD BE AWARDED AT THAT SHOW". Letting a STRONG judge say the number of selects is how it should be. Paul adds... I agree...the elected Judge should pick the number of Selects...his/hers decision...no ifs, ands, or buts about it. It's their choice...their decision...it's their final...final word on the subject. OK...but. And of course you knew there had to be a but. What does the defintion of "Select" mean to you? Do you want it to remain or resemble the current definition as it is in the P & P Manual? You can say yes or no and still be right...we can all agree to agree or disagree. It does make for stimulating conversation tho... I was at a show today where this subject was not undiscussed. I heard opinions on both sides of the discussion but I didn't change my mind. Doesn't mean I couldn't...but it does mean I still believe the definition in the P & P Manual that describes the term "Select" to be that of an animal equal to the quality of the GV/GVX on another day. I am an Idealist when it comes to such definitions because it sets such animals apart from those that are not. Can you all honestly tell me the 12th or 15th Select fits that criteria? I don't know what you want to do to deal with this situation. From many of you posts I believe it's nothing at all. I still think there is a solution that would give eveyone a sense of satisfaction. We have a GV/GVX...some Selects that were truly in competition for that award of GV/GVX...and other animals that are of very, very high quality, recognized for that fact, and should be considered or used for your breeding programs. I will leave it at that and let it be my last post on the subject. That said...nothing will ever change unless it's addressed. Not addressing the situation is a sure bet nothing will change...when it probably should. Paul ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================