I for one am a student of the Redbook. I have everyone of them and re-read them. One my way home from the National every year I study the combination of winning bloodlines. I don't really care what dog is on top or what bitch. I look at crossing bloodlines. I look for top bitches with bloodlines similar to ours and see how those did crossed to what lines. I would bet others do also Carol In a message dated 5/10/2011 12:33:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: Since you probably don't own the bitches, or have them to breed, what do you use those figures for? If you just look at the pictures in the Red Book, as Liz said she did, and did some great breedings, why do we have her do so much work to figure the top stud dogs? ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================