Thank you Ruth - my argument exactly. So, I say it again! The DNA argument is irrelevant. It is not a matter of proving the dog is a GSD but that it excels as a representative of the breed to the standard in the breed ring. This is a sport and the standard is, by its very nature and existence, not INCLUSIVE but EXCLUSIVE! No standard - no breed. If the change is to broaden the appeal, to be more inclusive, or to raise revenue, then it is destructive to the purpose of a standard in the first place. Lowering the bar will not popularity make - in the long run. But where there are conflicts or poor wording to be addressed, OK! But the effect of these changes are to broaden the standard, whether intended or not, and that is not necessary or desirable, IMO! It is quite simple yet the arguments go so far afield... Why can't we all be as logical as Mabel, Garfield or Snoopy! Dave The argument for whites is that whites have always been part of the GSD dna. Well, using that logic so were wire coats, floppy ears, soft coats and square proportions. The idea of a breed is to create something that comes closer and closer to the ideal - none of those traits above were ever desired as ideal. You CANNOT have a breed that is the most popular breed in the world and decide that in our small part of it, we are going to bring back all those early undesirable traits just because it might increase club membership. That means we are actually creating our own breed. Ruth --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================