I don't know if this was the one Ernie imported the year that Harry v Donaki (sp) was supposed to go GV, and Portrait was supposed to go GV. If this was the year, it was quite an upset. Errie's dog was GV ( I only remeber him as having a very short neck ) and 14 momth-old Nanhall's Donna was GVX. Interesting is the fact that both the GV and the GVX that year were strile . I had a full sister of Donna, and we finally got her pregnant using chorionic gonadatripin. I don't think Hall ever tried it on Donna. Just a bit of trivia. Carolyn Deena Canals <dc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I have not been able to locate him in the AKC search on the website. Tried assorted spellings/variations of the name. So I went to the net. GSD Review show him to be the son of 1954 GV Ch. Brando v. Aichtal http://gsdca.org/GSDReviewed/Ldogs/LidoMellerland.html I found another site that I am pretty sure is him, only it is listing only SV information. It shows his father as Brando vom Tappen. Since the time frame is the 50's, I figured it was reasonable that he may have been brought over from Germany. http://gsdonline.com/bszs/index.php?sz=916902 For both sites, the dames and whelp date are the same. I thought maybe his dad came over from Germany and was renamed under AKC, but the ancestors for the two different sires are also different so that theory went out the window. Does any one have an actual pedigree on him or his AKC registration number? Ernest Loeb owned him. I'm goofing off at work so I don't have access to any of my books. Deena J. Canals ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos ? Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we?ll bind it! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================