In essence,it would be changing the standard back to what it used to be. In the Nicholas gsd book, there is a portrait of two champion solid "cream" colored bitches owned by Giralda kennels. You might find it also interesting that a top winning Ch. GSD purchased by Langdon Skarda was a blue, named Hoobin's Gray Boy. Also, back in the day, unilateral cryptorchids could be shown, one was a top producing Cocker. I am ambivilent about the subject, but we changed the standard to disqualify whites and we changed our standard to "noses that are not predominately black" so that blues, livers, etc could not be shown either. The AKC disqualified monorchids in all breeds. The breeders of white GSD's have their own shows, their own National,etc, they do their own thing anyhow and have been doing it since they were told that the color would be disqualified years ago. I do believe that whites should be bred true. I do not prescribe to the notion that if the sire and dam are b/t and produce a white that it should be registrable. That could be likened to registering a mixed breed, since they are now two separate breeds. You can't have it both ways. Somethings might have to be grandfathered in, until the white gsd can breed true with no b/t appearing in the pedigree. In closing I do not prescribe to the notion that GSD's are GSD's no matter what color. There is a standard for a reason. It would be like saying that deliberately breeding miniature, piebald, long-coated GSD's are still GSD's. At some point you can get so far away from the standard that it is no longer what the breed was intended to be. In the end the goal is to breed as close to the standard as possible, not as far away from it as possible. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica Keene" <jkeene2005@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 2:26:12 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Whites- how it was explained to me I know the issue on whites was explained to me-and made sense to me- that GSDs are HERDING dogs, (and although we know they were actually bred to do it all) and herding dogs are supposed to be multi. colors and or darker colors, some sort of contrast in them to make them stand out from the sheep vs. guardian breeds white are usually solid white to blend with them. Which makes sense to me, so why should we change our standard for something that conflicts the purpose of the dogs? JMO. I think they are lovely in white, but i understand why they shouldn't be bred to be white Jessica Keene http://www.gsdjunior.webs.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================