And your point is???? Two laps is not enough gaiting, and a half an hour is too long. Common sense would reason that perhaps somewhere in the middle might be ideal. For the record, I have never known a dog to be conditioned" out of poor structure. A soft weak back is what it is..conditioning might improve it somewhat, but it won't make it go away. A dragging rear might be tightened, but no amount of conditioning is going to change what it is. A forehand that is inadequate will always be inadequate. If you do enough gaiting these faults, no matter how much conditioning will eventually reveal themselves. This is just what I have observed with my limited experience. :) C ----- Original Message ----- From: AGray40366@xxxxxxx To: ELG440@xxxxxxx Cc: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 1:04:56 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: When it is there, you can see it Well said Evan, Ann In a message dated 3/16/2012 11:48:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: I did use to like the long time used to judge the dog when each class ran for half an hour, but I don't think it is necessary to see who tires first. It does not show you structure but may show conditioning. We do not judge conditioning. Or, at least I don't. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================