Ileana writes: Lots of people run to breed to the top dogs every year, the GV, the Selects. Evan writes: Statement like that are so easy to make, and so untrue. The two number one producing dogs I know of personally are Ben and Mephisto. Neither were Select. We have been talking lately about Tacoma, and after he went GV, how many breeding do you think he got? Unless you are trying to embarass someone with a public display of the temperament test, the limitation of being a champion should be enough. Ileana writes: No Evan, that top statement is not untrue. Ok, Ben and Mephisto and Tacoma are good examples to your argument..............but what about Lance, Boss, Bull, Banker, Uzi, Max, Scoop, you are telling me nobody went out to breed to them? Of course they did,and rightfully so. That Ben and Mephisto were bred to was just smart. That there were not many breeding's to Tacoma is a fact, an unfortunate one. No one is trying to embarrass anyone with public displays. Actually, the suggestions of doing the national testing away from the breed ring will avoid that. Besides, what is there to be embarrassed about? That your dog failed a test on that day? That is also unfortunate, but any breeder/owner/handler should know better than to bring a dog to the ring whose temperament is less than standard quality. I have yet to see a good argument against this idea, besides time constraints. All the complaints I hear have to do with resistance to changes and personal preferences. Lets expand our comfort zone and look at this idea with all the positive benefits in mind. Ileana ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================