I may not have much clout on this list as most people don't even read my posts unlike Evan who always gives it a funny streak. But I must say that everything Carolyn mentioned is true. I do not have to defend her, she can do that all on her own, and well. That said, I do agree with the striking colors she mentioned, but I can also see that there is still a huge problem with the conformation of the German dog. OK, so we talk German Shepherds. I cannot for the life of me see a flawless conformation in the overall picture of one. It just does not fit together. The first thing I see is that the front does not match with the back and to me that is an incomplete picture. Yes, the neck is too short - and then there is this awful roach or banana back. People, please! I have often thought how in the world can these dogs run a mile or even jump a hurdle? .And I am wondering: Those beautiful colors, are they really worth trying to breed this into our line with the knowledge that you end up with such a back? I would not mind breeding to a German dog providing they have a straight back. There are some. -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hickoryhill Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:14 PM To: WITMS@xxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Try this link to Bad Bolls Progeny OMG! My retinas are burned. As each one of the progeny walked past I thought to myself "it can't get much worse than this!" But it did. ----- Original Message ----- From: WITMS@xxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:53:55 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Try this link to Bad Bolls Progeny I agree with Joyce: " I am sorry but watching those dogs walk in the ring looked like they should be hurting with the roach in the back and the way the rears were" I say, Unfortunately most have horrible shoulder placement, short upper arms, no curve of stifle, and those poor short necks... All that pounding has to take it's tole on their bodies ... Susie _www.witmergsd.com_ (http://www.witmergsd.com) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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