> We are not an unofficial arm of either group. It was formed because we > were taking abuse on > other lists. > The administration of this list undertook a project to obtain and publish the views of GSDCA candidates. My understanding this was not an official act for the GSDCA but courtesy to the listers of this list. I commend you for your thoughtful action and the support you wanted to offer the breed in this endeaver. However...only members of the GSDCA will be allowed to view the results. I am a member of this list (although perhaps not in good standing at the moement), I have passwords to the members only section. Myself and other non-GSDCA members have had to put up with all the emails about the election and about the questionaire, but are now told that the results are none of our business - is official club business and some of the GSDCA candidates do not want non member listers to know what the GSDCA future leadership stands for). When Redbook does an interview on a Democrat, I surely wouldn't expect them to refuse to send it to their Republican subscribers. And for you candidates who don't want non-members to know what you stand for - well you might want to rethink that opinion while you are thinking about declining membership and why new people either don't join or don't stay. This list is routinely used by members and board to discuss the ailing GSDCA membership numbers. This is just one of many topics solely and directly related to GSDCA functioning and not to AKC style showing that is handled on this list. Occasionally someone will say, well shouldn't this topic discussed with the whole membership and not just this list. Someone replies, well almost all of the membership is on this list and it is much easier to this way. I personally don't care if GSDCA business is decided on the list. I sometimes that that its leadership lets the non list members get screwed and left out in the cold. ADMIN Post 01/04/05 [ SHOWGSD-L ] ADMIN - Promotion on the List - Please Read >We wanted to do everything we could to protect the Review, which we all = value, and which is the official publication of the GSDCA, of which most of us = are members, since advertising revenue is critical to the survival of the Review. This is a large part of the rationale for our rule against = on-list promotion. We view Showgsd-l as an asset to the Fancy, not a detriment = as a competitor with the Review, or in any other way as a force inconsistent = with the objectives and well-being of the GSDCA. Sounds like official support of the parent club. Non GSDCA members can not promote their dogs on the list due to the rules (not saying I don't agree with the rule). However the rule according to this email was not set for the benefit the listers but to protect the GSDCA magazine. A noble and worth while thought, but hardly consistant with not functioning as an extension of the PC Club. The attitude is routinely expressed on this list that specialty shows ae superior to All Breed shows. All Breed shows are truly AKC showing. Read your archives. Compare the number of posts here lately that are strickly about GSDCA business and have nothing to do with showing or breeding better dogs, but with improving the PC, and tell me again this list is not mainly about supporting the GSDCA members. Deena Canals ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================