I agree, Cathy. The only time I witnessed this was when I bought a beautiful sable male pup. I had him for 3 weeks--good eater, outwardly healthy, excellent temperament--you name it, he was IT. He ate a good breakfast before I went to school, was happy and alert in the kennel. When I got home from school, his back was arched like a cat and he was in obvious pain. Gums were pale gray. I rushed him to the vet's, where Doc did an exploratory surgery. He said that when he opened him up he was like jello inside. He died. It was toxic gut. Penny in NC The Farm Dog Hi All, Well, I was going to put my two cents in, but I will. About 10 years ago I lost 3 bitches to TGS, they were 5 month, two years and 8 year old. There were no warning signs, except not eating and depressed and taken to the Vet immediately, as when my dogs do not eat, something is wrong. The pup was gone within hours of the first sign something was wrong, the two year old made in through the day and died early the next morning, my Vet was so upset he did a necropsy at 6am when he found her. When he check her a 1am, she was doing fine, when he opened her up, he said her insides looked like she had been dead for days, intestines were black. She was the first one I lost and then I live the nightmare two more times. My 8 year old made it almost 3 days, but the Vet said we were not out of the woods and we lost her the next morning. This is one of the most hideous diseases that I have ever seen and I hope never to see it again, these girls did share one bloodline and I had never had anything like this until that line into my house, so I am a firm believer that this is genetic. My dogs also, were given Probactic daily with their food, but it did not help them. I would rather have a dog with HD, as they can live a long healthy life with that, then ever see something like TSG again in my life. Cathy Kelstar fmurch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx EarthLink Revolves Around You. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================