> >Syd has a good point..why do they cut us off? should the rules change a > >bit..maybe be more relaxed to foster good dialoge?..To me..since some have > >chosen to incorporate German lines with amercian show lines..the > discussion > >of German /Amercian is very pertinent for the List...I find it much more > >enlightneing then discusiing toenails, puppy poop, dog food brands and > >brags...if nearly all things controversial are forbidden...then what > >seperates us form a "pet List". I have heard from others privately that > >they enjoy the more "heated" discussions ...I think the Admin should > >referee when the posting gets personal...or insulting...Perhaps this is > why > >the List has lost some interest...or why others are seeking out developing > >or joining new Lists which allow more freedom of discussion. Perhaps even > >this subject matter might be considered taboo...I am not certain..but > >nonetheless..it is being discussed privately...so maybe it should be > >brought to the forefront. C.Grainger > I agree with Christine. Many show people are also invoved in performance activities with their dogs....and the ideal would be to have all conformation dogs also participating in a performance venue but that will never be the case for many reasons. Some of us do also combine american and german lines to give us a dog we feel is more suited to our particular tastes for whatever particular reason. I don't feel that an apology is owed to anyone for preferring german/american crosses or wishing to discuss the merits, and drawbacks as well, of the combinations. We have finished quite a few dogs over the years ourselves and have performance - titled a large number as well and I think to restrict discussion to only one aspect of a breed as versatile as ours is actually to deprive those just coming into the breed of experienceing some of the most wonderful things about owning a GSD. The breed ring is not for everyone but they can still be encouraged to look for quality in structure and motion when choosing their companions and they can - and SHOULD - be encouraged to find the sport that suits their interests and their dog's abilities. Why can't this list support its members who pursue a total dog concept and the new people coming into the breed who are looking to find the niche where they will belong as well as being true to its mission statement of 'Furthering and promoting the american style of conformation showing'. These aspects of our breed do not have to be mutually exclusive, nor should they be. It does the breed no good for the conformation people to segregate themselves from all other GSD fanciers...... german, performance or whatever. The dog can certainly handle the variety of interests that an owner may have coming into our breed. Why should they be made to feel unwelcome or unable to voice an opinion because this is a 'show' list? Being a 'show' list should mean that these people are nurtured 'into' the 'conformation' sport from whatever point they are at when they arrive on the list - not tossed aside because they don't conform to the mission statement in its strictest definition. I have met very few people who started out as 'show dog' owners. I would not like to see the list become a 'working dog list' or a 'pet dog list' or any other 'strictly this' dog list. I think it's purpose is good and solidly presented. I just feel that it can be met while allowing some flow between other venues and other interests so that the newcomers into our breed see a well-rounded picture of all that the breed is capable of. Lynda Check out our websites for constantly updated info and pictures www.falkrigiashepherds.com www.thecraftywoodchuck.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================