I bought a used copy of Nicholas's book from Amazon--2 bucks--what a bargain. I lent mine to someone 15 years ago-can't remember who--KNEW I needed another. Flowerboy (YES, FLOWERBOY) got me thinking about BLACK Grand victors. I think that CH Kirk of San Miguel (GV 1949 and 1950) was black; there's also a picture of the GV for 1926 (CH Donar v Overstolzen, SchH) who is black--are there more? But the neatest thing is that I was born in 1950 when Kirk was GV for the second time-- no wonder I love blacks. (hehehe) and Billy was born in 1954 when CH Brando of Aichtal was GV--and he loves CH Wayside's Brando more than life itself. Curiouser and curiouser. I had forgotten some of these great dogs--Red Rock's Gino, Hessian's Baldur, Troll, Mike, Judd. . .and the pages of pedigrees--what a SUPER BOOK. Penny in NY ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================