It has been very interesting reading the posts on defining fault judging. I received many private and as you read some on the list one said it's like a judge picking out a minor fault like white toenails first excusing all the dogs with them and then finding the winner out of what was left. another said was a judge picking the obvious faults like a light eye or wide set ears which are relatively minor eliminating these then picking the winner from what was left. well I guess I knew all along about this I just called it by the wrong name I called It bad judging by a person who really does not know the standard. I will now call it fault judging.<BG> The part I still don't understands this. I have listened to people complain about a judge doing a poor job how he or she did such a bad job how they should not be allowed in the ring ever again. and then six months or a year later I see that same person showing under that same judge I asked this person why and this was the answer I got. Well this judge didn't seem to mind dogs with faults A B and C and since I have a dog with those faults I thought I had a chance anyway my bitch queene needs a major Res. for her ROM. And that my friends is why we have these judges. Fred PS some names were changed to protect the guilty ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================