I like that idea about the data base. I know what is going on is genetic because Margo's 8.5 year old son looks 2 maybe 3 years old. Runs 5 miles every day. I ofa'ed him at 8 and the vet said his hips looked vey good and the OFA gave him a Good rating with normal elbows. DM test came back N/N. I do puppy shots one booster and that is it. I will do rabies if they need it only because I live off the grid and the dogs are exposed to wild animals here. I feed normal food but do switch from time to time. the only one I have to be careful with is Victor the 8 year old because is reacts to Salmon based food. What amazes me is that Margo is still mentally active has all of her teeth and good muscle tone for a girl her age. Eyes are clear and her hearing is still pretty good. The one thing all of the dogs here have in common is high drive and a desire to work. Margo will still come to a heal when asked. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could find some genetic marker for longevity!! Congrats on your oldsters! To me that is the true test of a thoughtful breeding program! Terry On Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:05 AM, Sheree Moses <shereemosesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Congratulations on your dogs! This is what we all hope and strive for, and it's what I thought this List was supposed to be about. Thank you for the reminder.I lost our BIS Genuine Risk (she had 100 bests, and was a Dallas/Valle daughter) on Feb 3 at 14 1/2, our dear friends Jack and Joyce Eberts tell me that her sister, Ch Katie, is still going strong. My other housemate is BIS Kenlyn's Tenacity v Kaleef, Tena, who was 13 this spring but is still climbing the stairs to go to bed with me every night. Her granddaughter, Angel, is familiar to many of you who are on Facebook, and is having a wonderful time w/her junior handler friend Jaclyn. Tena, like Gennie, is OFA excellent, and is also sired by Dallas. Her mother is Yarmork's Dynah, who was a Wrangler daughter out of an Illuminator daughter, so.....like the others, all American lines. All black/tan, black/red, too:) Great temperament, just plain good dogs, albeit a little prettier than the ones I grew up with.I hear so many stories about people who have horrible luck with gut issues, cancer, early deaths or dogs that just age too quickly....Lackland wants their dogs to work until they're 12....maybe we should come up with a questionnaire regarding feeding and vaccination practices, lifestyle choices, a pedigree analysis....and try to figure out what works and what doesn't. Of course, it would require people to be open and honest about their dogs, and to keep egos and personalities out of it. I know our Parent Club has a Health and Genetics committee going; maybe one of the more scientifically inclined on this list could start putting together the questionnaire? We submitted DNA samples on about 15 of our dogs for the database, and I'd be happy to provide whatever other information needed over the last 20 years of our dogs...maybe we could all end up with dogs that are still in good shape at 15. ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. 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