Oh, you hit the nail on the head!! I try so hard to explain this to people. Thanks for agreeing...even if you all don't know me :) Linnea Corazza In a message dated 7/13/2006 12:33:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, myjoygs@xxxxxxx writes: When I think of a German Shepherd, I think of a protector of its family, sheep whatever his job is, I also believe that the ideal German Shepherd dog should be smart enough to know when there is a danger and to react to that and at the same time be trust worthy around children etc. I have had that and I have had some far from that. I don't believe we should breed Golden Retriever temperaments and change the standard because of the pet people population that we sell to. I think we should breed for the true Shepherd temperament and intelligence which would end up being a protector and a family dog. Why change what we breed ,to whatever it takes to win in the show ring or because we want Golden temperaments for the pet people, I was a pet person and what I loved about German Shepherds is their "look of eagles" and protector instinct towards their family. My best dogs were the ones that could be in a yard full of kids and would protect those kids if danger presented itself r egardless if they were family members or not. One thing I will not tolerate is a dog who is not child friendly. Change the temperament standard or just be more conscientious in breeding to achieve the temperament standard? After all that "look of eagles" comes from the aloof temperament and watchful eye of the protector. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================