Cases on point: military dogs. The handlers are rotated, the dogs aren't and every so many months the dog bonds w/ a new handler. How could any relationship be closer than those who trust each other to stay alive? Ditto service dogs. At four moths, they are often fostered, where they bond to a family, then return to a training facility where they bond to their trainer and finally they meet and bond to their "person", and again, can you imagine a relationship closer (not AS close, but closer), than the relationship someone w/ a special need has with their service dog or the relationship of a k9 handler and their partner? I can't. Of course, we are talking about sound dogs, secure dogs. Perhaps it's flattering to a person when a clingy, insecure dog acts as if their world starts and ends with that person, won't eat and/or drink, whines, paces and all the rest when their person isn't available for any reason but IMO it's not quite right in the scheme of things and that's why for the mental stability of the dogs I encourage new owners to get them out, let them stay places and let them stand on their own (four!) feet. Kathy ==================================================== Kathy Your examples have one thing in common. Animals that have been exposed and socialized to the end, who know all is well in the world. That should be the reality for ALL of these creatures. But, in reality, not all animals are like that, most times to no fault of their own. Some only know one person. And that person didn't have the need or desire to socialize the animal (they didn't think ahead). My biggest pet peeve: People who treat their animal like they were humans. Big mistake. I can't stand a clingy dog, I don't think is flattering or cute, I think is weak. Specially in our breed. I can't stress enough how important temperament is in our breed. Sometimes is genes, sometimes is environment. Every bad temperament is an embarrassment. And there are all kind of excuses, but that's what they are, excuses. I've worked with plenty of rescued dogs. There are some testimonies there to the real temperament of this breed. Dogs that have been thru who knows what and are sound. Those are my kind of dogs. I lived with unsound dogs, and I guess that gives me a insight into what I like and dislike when it comes to temperaments. Which brings me to another problem, lots of people don't know good temperament if it bit them in the rear. But that's another topic <G>. In the world I live, there is more than one right way and wrong way to do things. And I will give others the same respect I expect to receive when it come to my decisions. Ileana ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================