In a message dated 3/11/2005 3:58:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, PAGAIRS@xxxxxxx writes: I was going to stay out of this but this is WRONG. The problem with confirmation dogs is...the people that own them dont get off their duffs and train them in obedience...its not a priority. DONT ever think that a Champion show dog cannot work in obedience. Good for you Patty!!! I too think they can do BOTH - I am just not interested in the obedience aspect of it, as far as formal competition. All my dogs have the basics and must be well behaved - well, at least most of the time LOL!! If I get to the point where I have a goal like yours - who knows? I currently co-own a bitch that must acquire a working title of some sort before she is bred - soooooooo maybe in the fairly near future. Terri Stout _CRESTHAVEN German Shepherds_ (http://members.aol.com/cresthaven1/cresthaven2.html) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================