>>The steward will be a big key in this to prevent it. It would be a shame if the mistake had to be corrected by AKC,and GC points rescinded Helen Miller Fisher<< Hi Helen, Actually, I recently attended a show with a foreign judge (already not familiar with our judging system) and was totally further confused by a ring steward who was not completely familiar with the GC system. As a result, initially a CH bitch was placed BOS to the WB (who wound up BOB), The same CH bitch was the first bitch pulled & the judge told the handler the bitch was her first select & grand champion, only to be told she couldn't do that (I have no idea why since the CH bitch was in contention for BOB & was the first select, standing in line.). Then the WD was placed BOS, but the steward again corrected the judge in that he could not be select since he was not a champion. They had to recall all the male specials back to the ring so the judge could pick a GC male. The judge then put a CH male BOS, gave him the grand champion pts and the judge went down the line & picked another CH bitch for grand champion bitch, despite her original CH bitch was still standing in place for the GC points. Subsequently, the first bitch got nothing but an award of merit ribbon. It was totally confusing, chaotic & upsetting for the owners & handler of the first bitch (others also heard the bitch declared the grand champion). Unfortunately the steward had the judge mark her book and there was nothing to be done. I think it may take awhile before everyone gets all the wrinkles ironed out. Lanalee ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================