In a message dated 11/14/2005 7:11:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, uwish@xxxxxxxxxx writes: In one generation you can get pretty. Try getting shoulders, bone, head, chest, movement, etc. in one generation. This shows IMO, what a good breeder is.............is when he can get the things that the standard requires, not just what is pretty to the eye. Paul adds... The dog was bred to work and that requires movement of an exceptional nature to complete the task... Ask yourselves this people on "Da List"...if you were a sheep herder with a head of 200 sheep what would you want? Would you want a stallion male who took twice as many steps to herd you sheep or a more refined dog that could cover ground in big gulps? Conformation requires we judge the entire dog and if faults of gait are "Very serious faults"...they should be judged accordingly without being a fault Judge. There are a lot of dogs that exhibit such gaiting abilities that no one would ever doubt were a standout male or female GSD. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------- I was almost through with a post on the type-sidegait issue when I read Paul and Barbara's post respectively. They basically had everything I had in mine and then some. If you look at the standard, there is not but a few paragraphs that deal with type. The bulk of the standard is transmission and gait. These are moving dogs. There is nothing that irks me more than to hear a judge at AB level say they like to be sure to send something pretty to group. I continue to ask where in our standard do they find pretty. For the most part, I find our breed looking typically what a German Shepherd should look like. I find very few that can move according to our standard. But we all still want the "whole" package and should strive to attain that. Good sidegait comes with great structure. A mover gives me goosebumps.....a pretty dog just does not take me there. Molly Trillia German Shepherds ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================