>Subject: Re: The Sieger shepherds in the Review My long time GSD friend in Germany had taken a GSD couple from MN to the Sieger show some years ago. The couple did enjoy it but did mention the over-angulation, frog backs, etc., in those dogs. My German friend hates what she sees in her breed. There were dogs that really were not able to walk in the right way and seemed extremely handicapped to mention, she stated. She told me it was terribly embarrassing to show her American friends. My friend told me that years ago thousands of people left the SV realizing what has happened and who strive for the great "working-dog". A new club was then founded for working-dogs, real working-dogs. My friend said something around 4000 people. They still have some HD in their breeding program as other issues. And she talks with this newer group time to time. But was mentioned that the group betrays themselves by saying they do not believe HD is still a problem within their dogs. Just some thoughts I wanted to share from my friend in her native land. Kathy www.JoKaySedona.com <http://www.jokaysedona.com/> >Subject: November-December Review. From: Penny Kroh <farmdogforever@xxxxxxxxx> >What a schism! Sad--but I imagine that the German owners are proud of their dogs. Penny in NC The Farm Dog Forever Plum My Guardian ------------------------------