I know this is a show list, so this is what we need and should discuss. We occasionally bring up other subjects while we go in different directions, but always find our way back to actually showing the dogs and feel on top of the world when there is a win or two and even a championship. Congratulations to the winners! And then we make plans for breedings., choose the right studs for our bitches, check the pedigrees, see the ROM's, the OFA's, Champions, and of course the well known names of dogs from the past. All there, it's a deal. Stud fees don't matter too much, a little high, but what the heck, you get some nice pups and then you can make up for it when you sell them. Not so fast! We are going around in circles! Should we not check first what the stud dogs and the bitches had produced before we decide? Were there any problems, or worse, repeated problems in any litters on the ground? What good are great dogs if there are problems passed on generation after generation? Some of us do all this, many do not. They see the names and that is good enough for them. After breeding so many litters with or without health issues (as the saying goes, after a while you've seen them all) would it not be more important to have a dog that is healthy inside and out and most importantly, can produce progeny that are? Are we too much taken by the exciting side gait, the beautiful structure and correct movement? Are we not enough aware of the inner qualities of our dogs? It would be great if we could see all this in one package, but do we? The 13 Club actually tells us a lot. It should be ranking right next to the championship. Just my take, Lee F. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================