I use All Systems, super cleaning and conditioning. Washes well. lots of suds, rinses clean. AND I have used it on my cats. The dog FEELS so very clean after! I have also used JB Wolesale, Golden Almond. Nice smell, very economical if you get the concentrate and does all of the above as well. If you choose to get a conditioner, well, that is good too, only I can't see using 2 products if I only need one! Chris K "Do Right and Fear No One" --from the Stephanitz Family Crest ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================