As I was reading the posts in regards to "A list of Judges," and it got me thinking about a recent show where my 6 month old puppy had a 2nd Place ribbon withheld. As a newbie, I was told to get my pup into the ring for experience, I was concerned because he had a touch of Pano, but the vet assured me he was fine. He wasn't moving as well as normal, but not in obvious pain. I figured Judges know young pups can be a little gimpy at times, but I really wanted to get him out and get him accustomed to the show atmosphere. I didn't expect any 1st. place ribbons. When 2nd was withheld, I was embarrased. My handler (WELL KNOWN), couldn't even tell me why this happened. This same pup took 4th place 2 days before this event at a Specialty show, and my handler and I believed he had done better this day. This puppy comes from excellent bloodlines. No, this does not guarantee a top winning dog, but to then see the same judge award 2nd place to a black, cream, and silver dog that same day, (also a major fault, as is movement-but movement can improve with age,) it makes me wonder why their 2nd place wasn't withheld? I know, different judges see one fault worse than another in their eyes. It's their opinion, but shouldn't we at the very least try to encourage newbies to give it a shot? Thanks to all at ringside who gave such nice comments on my boy. A few very well respected breeders made my day with their encouraging words, on a day they were truly needed! This experience made the Obedience ring look so good to me! At least when I screw up there, I get a pat on the back and a smile from other exhibitors who have "been there...done that!" I believe this Judge (ALSO WELL KNOWN) could have been a little more supportive. After all, 2nd place is not a threat to the competition, and I know many gorgeous Champion dogs that were once sold as "pets", only to reappear as very fine animals. A 6 month old should have "fun" in the ring. Not be severely penalized as one would expect from an adult dog. Just Venting, Bonnie Dinsmore Von Adlerhof German Shepherds http://vonadlerhof.tripod.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================