to those vets who do not want to do the bloodwork, one of my top bitches had a bleedout from etogesic which was suppose to be safe with NO side effects..."B...S..." to make matters worse when she had the bleedout, she had come into heat.....i almost lost her....had to have IV with Vit K and antibiotics.....DONT PLAY GAMES, IF YOUR VET WONT DO THE BLOOD WORK, FIND ANOTHER VET....my vet always does the blood work for Rimadyl but didnt think so for etogesic...he also has had bleedouts from dogs that were on Deramaxx(sp) all meds have side effects Natalie CLOVERLEIFE HILL KENNELS Jerry and Natalie Stewart http://www.cloverleife.com/ Website Updated 2004 Show and Pet Puppies available ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================