I suggested something similar a while back, mini-nationals on Futurity weekends w/ specialty shows, 3 day affairs, outside on grass. Lift all of the Futurity/Maturity rules...want to show in 4 or 5? Be my guest. Then select a GV/GVX at a point in the year, base it on dogs defeated...whatever....like the racehorse people select horse of the year. Truth is, I have finished dogs for less that it would cost to send a youngster away for training, show them a few weekends and prep for a Futurity, which really is a match show (no points). And OK, maybe someone will spend to ship a special, but a younger dog? Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 3/11/2013 6:04:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michel@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: This is really a rich man's game. Not much fun if you have to sacrifice vacations, discretionary spending, etc..., just to be able to participate in a National show. Having to spend upwards of $5,000 to show one dog at a National is a real killer for most. In view of these astonomical costs it is time to start considering having both an easter and western National. From the viewpoint of practicallity, economics and having a good representation of the breed we could have both and Eastern and Western Grand Victor and Grand Victrix. No Run-offs and a dog may only be entered in one of these, not both. Maybe this could make it fun, instead of a financial, back breaking, burden. Regards, Michel Ebertin -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Terry Cochran Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 12:51 PM To: sallyhayden5@xxxxxxxxx; Showlist Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Rich mans game Yes it would be several 1000.00's From: Sally Hayden <sallyhayden5@xxxxxxxxx> To: Showlist <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 12:28 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Rich mans game Wow if you live on the west coast and want to show a dog at the centennial you truly have to be a rich man Round trip for dog about $900 Round trip tickets for owners Rental car Motel Food Handler Sent from my iPad Sally http://www.embroiderybysally.com/ New website===================================================================== ======POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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