hey Sue.....I like it when you get fired up!.... lol ....what to come to Argentina with Penny and me?... lol ... FB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arcturus" < arcturus @ frontiernet .net> To: " thelist " < showgsd -l@ freelists .org> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:22:07 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Reasonns to Spay/neuter Boy this is a big topic! First and Foremost:  This is a free country. Period.  There may be problems with it, but I'll take it any time over some sort of dictatorship and that includes a surplus of unwanted dogs. Nonetheless,  less look at this logically: 1)  Pet puppies are not surplus.  There are many people out there who's reason for getting up in the morning is thier pet dog.  To sneer at this is certainly heartless. 2). It has been proven time and time again,  puppies neutered early are at a much higher risk for cancer than those who wait until later.  In fact, a recent study I read reported those dogs neutered before age 4 had a 25 percent higher incidence of cancer.  To someone who has a much beloved pet that risk may be unaceptable ,  especially if they have had a loved die from cancer.  In addition, every assistance dog group has found that puppies neutered young never mature mentally.  If you want a focused dog you must wait until they are close to 2 years.  What about the average pet owner who is sick and tired of his obnoxious  "puppy"  that has never grown up and has never really developed adult behaviour ?  What about all his hopes and dreams, not to mention Money he's spent for an early neuter job that has serious contributed to his now need to turn the dog into a shelter because he can't deal with it any longer? 3).  Every show breeder started somewhere.  Maybe the dog could have been better, but they learned as they went. 4). Sadly, not every dog deserves to live. I'm sorry, but a dog that is agressive toward people and other pets should not live. A dog that was never socialized and is now nasty with people, especially children does not deserve to live.  No child ever deserves a bite. Ever! Dogs that cannot be housebroken should be euthanized. No one can live with that and the dogs often ended up beaten and kicked.  Dogs that have a physical unsoundness should be euthanized.  I say that with full knowledge of people who have gone to the extreme to save a dog.  Thier hearts are breaking and its not fair to do that to them. 5)  AND THE BIGGEST LIE OF ALL TIME?  Is these animal rightest who yell about pet over population, when they do nothing to help with low cost spay and neuter clinics.  Its about $800. for average spay for a German Shepherd.  If you really want to put your money where your mouth is,  work towards a low cost clinic.   Yes it a tough job and I appreciate those that do rescue. I have done some and I know first hand.  We must continue to educate the public,  We must have fair laws concerning the breeding and keeping of dogs, and we must always keep things in perspective, because nothing alienates someone more than a zealot.  JMO ,  Sue T ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011.  All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post.  This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. 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