Northern California listers near Lodi, Sacramento, Stockton...there is a place called "Grand Dad's" in Lodi...I have some good stories about Lodi (yes they are "G" rated stories) but this is not the place for them!!!..They sell raw products including veggies, whole chicken including bones , beef livers and hearts all grounded up in two pound packages...they are on the pricy side...averaging 1.25 to 1.75 per pound depending on the item...they do deliver and they do ship, but ofcourse that costs more...I went today for the first time...the woman who helped me was on the phone so I waited patiently like my grandmother taught me....more about her later...I noticed on the wall several pictures of a winning Australian Cattle dog with a black adult female handler...how rare is that!...I further noticed that the handler was the same woman on the phone. When she hung up we got into a very long conversations about several things... why there are just a few minorities in general and African Americans in specific involved in this sport...she also wanted to know why "Shepherd People" are so rude and nasty...she says that our double handling is so bad she hates to show in the ring next to us at all-breed shows...because I am so charming and articulate I was able to tell her about why and how we "Shepherd People" do things...she will be at an all-breed show that I am showing at this weekend...I was so convincing that I almost had her willing to show my Shepherd on Saturday....Basu stiffed me...lol...(not really)......with Thanksgiving coming up ( I think Canada had theirs last month) it reminds me of what my grandmother used to say...she said "the best way to keep what you have is to give it away"...I always think about that during thanksgiving...she had a saying about Christmas too, but you will have to wait till next month to hear that one...off to class...I HATE SCHOOL....FB ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================