[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: REASONS - national herding
- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <rivendellj@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <bhahn0616@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <Pdragon4@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:50:38 -0700
THANK YOU Jennifer for your clear and concise explanation!!! This helped a
lot of
us understand that there is ALWAYS a lot of work going on behind the scenes
that we
who "want it our way" need to understand!!
It always seems so simple when you just drive up to watch.......or enter your
one dog in
any given Event once or twice.
Now we know not only does the Herding Committee ( much like the National Chair
Person )
have to deal with "site issues" Travel issues, unhappy Exhibitors and
handlers.....but
they also have to be concerned about "Upright Breeds" and......... trucked
in C flocks
and "CRANKY SHEEP"!! Ya gotta love it!! <G>
Thanks so much Jennifer!! THANKS to a hard working, clear thinking, problem
solving
Herding Committee!
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jennifer Root
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: screwy - national herding
Hi All
Typically Herding is scheduled the Sat & Sun (all breed trials) and Mon (GSD
Day)
A day of travel or rest on Tues and the conformation portion of our National
starts
Weds. I really don't see how else we could schedule it without running in to
the
conformation events.
While I am on the subject of Herding at the Nationals....
A number of years ago all of us that herd realized that the most common
complaint at any National herding event (GSD, Collies, Aussies, Corgis, etc)
was that either sheep and or the facility (one in place or sheep trucked in)
were awfull! So in putting on a National herding event you face two or three
major problems.
One is that if you do not use an established herding (or livestock) facility
you must rent/buy fencing for arenas and for holding sheep and have the
manpower to erect it and tear it down after the event....all quite costly.
That would bring us to the second and third problem....sheep that are
trucked in tend to be quite cranky and do not work well. If anyone besides
me recalls the Kentucky Nationals we had sheep leaping over the
temporary fencing as soon as you walked in the arena with a dog....it
was ugly folks!!
There are a few "roving" flocks that are used to being trucked in to sites
and can be used for A & B course......once again quite costly.
To my knowledge (and I am sure someone from C course will correct me
if I am wrong) there are no "roving" C course flocks and if there is I am
sure that would run in to quite a bit as well.
So, faced with these factors that turn a herding event in to a disaster , the
herding committee came up with a list of criterion to follow whenever
possible for our National herding event.
In a nutshell, we look for established sites with established flocks that are
used for training and trials on a regular basis. In addition this facility
must
have "upright" dogs (GSD,Bouvier, Collie, Rotties) working their sheep on
a regular basis. In addition we would like that site to be as close as
possible to the conformation site. Unfortunately, this year there was no
facility close to the Ford Center that met our criterion.
Sorry this is so lengthy but there seems to be alot of discussion about
the herding event this year.........I hope this clears up the questions that
have been expressed.
A HUGE THANK EWE to all the clubs and individuals who sent trophy
donations for herding....we covered all our rosettes and trophies this year!!!
Jennifer Root
GSDCA National Herding Committee
--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Pdragon4@xxxxxxx <Pdragon4@xxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Pdragon4@xxxxxxx <Pdragon4@xxxxxxx>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ]
Re: screwy - national herdingTo: bhahn0616@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
dan-ann@xxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008,
3:28 PM
hi,
i have asked the same question about herding being the weekend before
everything else. the herding people say that not as many people would enter
if it was in the middle of the week. i think german shepherd people would
still
enter but, the people with other herding breeds probably wouldn't. herding
trials are expensive to put on so we need to fill all the slots and if
shepherds
don't fill them then we open the trials to other breeds. so it is probably
true that there would not be as many entries in the middle of the week.
lea ruggieri
In a message dated 10/28/2008 12:48:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
bhahn0616@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
I agree with Lee and Julie totally about both herding and tracking. We
have to remember that AKC has to approve the sites before they'll
approve the trials. My only request is: does herding have to happen so
far ahead timewise from the rest of the national events?
Barb
Pdragon4@xxxxxxx wrote:
> hi sally,
>
> julie degan explained it very well in that you need sheep that have been >
worked in the
c course & someone experienced in doing the c course to set it up, > and a
site that can
be laid out properly. and for a & b you need sheep that > have been worked
with dogs that
herd like ours (not just border collies).
>
> in many instances people who own flocks make the choice NOT to allow their
> sheep to
travel to a different site. we cannot force the owners to let us have > the
sheep.>
> in this particular case (for beaumont) the person nearby who had a site
for > herding did
not have enough sheep for our herding trial or instinct test.
>
> we looked into transporting sheep from a further location to do a herding
> instinct test at
ford park and found it was cost prohibitive. > > i cannot speak for others
but nanci & i believe
strongly that herding is an > important event for the national. we have
worked very hard to
make sure it > happens and at the best sites available. you would not
believe the time
and > effort put in by everyone concerned to try and have herding instinct
at ford > park.
it just couldn't happen this year.
>
> and as for tracking -- not just any open field will do. afterdiscussions
> with houston &
beaumont tracking people (including several tracking judges) we > found
that all tracking
is done at the location we are using because it is > the best site that
meets akc requirements.
the next nearest place for tracking > was about the same distance from
beaumont
(approximately an hour) and would > not work as well as the site we are
using. >
> once again, nanci and i work hard to make sure you all have the best >
national possible.
we don't make poor choices to sabatoge any of the events. each > site
presents different
challenges and problems -- and we solve them the best > way possible.
>
> lea ruggieri
> assistant show chairman
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/28/2008 6:23:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> dan-ann@xxxxxxxx writes:
> and bring then in early so they would settle down.and there was a place
to > have herding very close to the site > I also heard there was a place
for tracking
but it was taken to Huston> Sally
> www.embroiderybysally.org
>
> This is what I wrote before the funny people screwed it up
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