For what it is worth here is a link to a German site that has an artical on the Sable in English. You may have seen it before it is on the Arlett site. http://www.arlett.de/ the link is on the opening page of the site Terry Nikelist@xxxxxxx wrote: Having a clear understanding on the order of dominance of the genes is the key. Ed, Your explanation is clear and easy to follow.This is straight forward information once someone GETS it, but it sure can make for some good conversation and QUESTIONS until they do. Good job, Mr. Hill. Terri, excellent quesion(s). If you'd like to discuss further you can e-mail or call me anytime - you know the number :>) Would love to talk to you. FYI: Paladin Allegheny Moon-Kimshar (b&r), and your Trudy's two half siblings Nike Calyfield Guardian Angel (b&r) and Nike Clayfield Keepsake Angel (b&r) are all from sable-to-sable breedings. No blacks - factor not carried by the dams, Amelia Earhart and Winning Colors or by the sire, Casanova - Just rich pigment. Sharlonna _nikeclfld@xxxxxxxx (mailto:nikeclfld@xxxxxxx) 619-561-6813 In a message dated 6/14/2005 9:17:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I really would like to explain this to you over the phone, but I'll do it here...each parent has two genes for coat color...lets say dam has a Sable gene and a Black and Tan gene...the sire also has one Sable and one BT gene....you will not get black or bi-colors...statistically you will get 3/4s sable puppies and 1/4 black and tan.............example #2...Dam has sable gene and Black gene.....sire has the same genotype as dam, one sable gene and one Black gene...you will NOT get any Bi-colors or Black and tans....you will statistically get 3/4s sable 1/4 Blacks...example #3.....if one parent either dam or sire has TWO sable genes!...all, and I repeat ALL the puppies will be sable.......there are many other examples, but to involved to type on the list.. _TLSGSD@xxxxxxxx (mailto:TLSGSD@xxxxxxx) wrote: Hi, Just a quick question for the lists - having never bred a sable to a sable - I am curious as to what the resulting offspring may be? I know, obviously sables - and possibly a solid black - but what about black and tans? Both dogs have a sable parent and a black and tan or bicolor parent. Input would be greatly appreciated. << Terri Stout _CRESTHAVEN German Shepherds_ (http://members.aol.com/cresthaven1/cresthaven2.html) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Terry Cochran www.FairwayShepherds.com www.Rightdog.com RightDog Photography __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================