On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:18:23 -0800, "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >SO...since whites are a masking color....would they >also mask the Isabella...Piebald...liver...blue..and >any other odd color we can conger up? Short answer: YES! Longer answer: Unfortunately, the only way you could possibly tell if a white were masking a blue or liver would be by looking at the dog's skin pigment. A genetic liver would have a liver nose, eye rims and paw pads. A genetic blue would have dark or light (but definitely NOT black) grey skin pigment. Unfortunately, the situation gets complicated when you talk about the dilute dilution colors. For example, in breeds where Isabella/fawn is allowed or seen, you can have a situation where the nose of the dilute/dilute (Isabella/fawn) dog is actually DARKER than in the single dilute (red, chocolate, liver) dog. That's just a bit of an aside. ;) I can't speak to piebald/pandas. God only knows how you'd identify those colors underneath a white coat. Fun factoid: white GSDs were used in the panda breeding programs in order to broaden the panda gene pool! ;) -- Karen C. Email: kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================